Assuming too much? Random thoughts on this political year

I'm going to apologize if this is double posted and I'll delete if it is.  My IE (dunno why I'm using IE) froze up.  I posted something similar in the post-debate thread.  Shaun encouraged me to give it a whirl on diaries, so here it goes (first diary here).  That said, maybe most read it and just didn't have anything to respond with, which I can respect.  I've tried to clean some things up a bit, as yesterday it was more me typing thoughts coming to my mind.  I don't have the time to make this sound really good, though, for which I apologize, and there's very little research behind it.

Quick background on me.  I'm finishing up my masters in policy, but I wouldn't say I'm a policy person.  As a kid, I thought I was a Republican.  Why?  My favorite color was red, and my favorite animal was the elephant.  Then I grew up.

I'm a HRC supporter?  Avid?  No.  Supporter?  Yes.  That said, I like Obama.  I don't understand the vitriol online.  My excitement dipped a lot when Mark Warner sat out, but understandably, he wasn't exactly a huge guy for the netroots.  In the end, I'm party first.  Gotta win to be able to bring change.  All the rhetoric in the world won't mean much unless you are in a position of power to do something about it.  Anyhow, most of my thoughts are in the extended.

What has been on my chest is perhaps quite simplistic.  This is fairly long, and I apologize for it.  I'd shorten it if I could.

a)  What is this election about ... for the country, not for us, as individuals?

Is this an election on the repudiation of conservative philosophies?

Is this an election on war weariness?

Is it an election on the economy?

Is this an election on the repudiation of Bush?

Now, clearly, it can be a combination of all three.  But is there an overriding factor at play here?  For Democrats, the ideal would be for the first one to be dominant theme, but I doubt that enough change has happened over the last few years to see such a dramatic shift in national thought.  The rest all tie in together, and 2/3 leads me to believe that this election is largely going to be a repudiation of Bush more than anything else.  Which leads me to

b)  The fallacy of assuming.

Admittedly, I don't know as much as many of you.  I know there's a lot of anger over the past 8 years, a lot of anger over tactics and so forth.  That said, I tend to believe that a big problem over the last 2 presidential elections has been the inability to frame the issues.

Why do we assume that "issues" voters will vote with us?  Why do we assume that said individuals will have the long term outlook on what we believe right?  These are dangerous assumptions to make, and if this is an election on the repudiation of Bush, then this leaves us in a more perilous situation than we are acknowledging.

I know plenty of conservatives, and while they like Hillary, and find Obama intriguing, they would never vote for any of them.  It isn't due to the character aspects.  It's to their belief on the issues.  For all the anger we vent towards the right, we often times hold similar perspectives of bias, but use the justification of "right" to exonerate our beliefs.  We expect that our issues should resonate, and that they should step to the forefront.

I just wonder if this is as true as one thinks.  Look, I'm a liberal.  I believe our policies are the best long term ... and short term.  Are we able to sell that short term vision?  That's the primary aspect to focus on.  That vision hasn't been there.  The Democrats have the right economic policy for the rural areas, IMO, but we are often stymied in our attempts to enter those battlegrounds.

I think one of the worst options made out there is the idea of a core or a base.  It assumes that individuals vote based solely on a specific set of issues in national elections to an extent.  I find this type of thinking to be flawed, and I wonder how much a role it has played over the course of the last 8 years.

What does the currernt excitement mean?  I hope it means that we are making traction with our message, but I'll be honest - I get frustrated at listening to our leaders talk, to our policy analysts talk sometimes.  Can we sell this message?  The beauty of the Democratic Party is often our complexities, but it is this complexity that often reflects poorly upon us.  The Republicans have been able to, with more consistency, sell a message on the short term future, IMO.

Now definitely, all this occurs in cycles.  For a long time, the Republicans were lost.  In the broad spectrum of things, the last 8 years, well, the last 14 to be exact, hasn't been that long of a cycle.  It takes time to find a voice and to sell a vision.

this leads to

c)  Leadership.

It is often said that the greatest leaders are often the ones right next to you (or something like that, there's been versions).  Online, it seems that liberals seem to be counting McCain out right now.  I'll be honest - he seems like a likable guy.  Image is everything, and here's a guy that's cultivated an image, although it isn't necessarily true.  He feels like the guy that you wake up in the morning, pick up your paper and say hello to while drinking a cup of coffee.

Yes, sometimes we want our leaders to be these strong, charismatic individuals.  Other times, we (and I use we as the country) may lean towards leadership that feels comfortable.  Can we defintiively say that at this point in time, in this critical juncture in history, with so much turbulence in the world and at home, that it is one way or another?  I'm not sure we can.  Experience is a factor.  I like Obama, but that's why, when I made my decision of who to support, I leaned towards HRC, as I wonder if this is the right time in history.  There is a huge collision of issues and forces at play, forces that will shape the world.  Now, all that said, sometimes all an individual needs is an opportunity.

Can McCain parlay his image and sell short term benefits?  That's what it comes down to.  For the majority of citizens, the actual impact of the Presidency is often not felt throughout a term.  Let's not count McCain out on being able to sell that vision with the image he has cultivated.  Let's not assume that we can break down this image in a few months time.  Assumptions will kill.  

Finally

d)  The War on ... well something ...

Why do we assume that the liberal war plank is what the country wants?

There's a lot more liberals now than in 2001 that are anti-war.  Sometimes reaction in of itself is the best antidote.  I am not justifying the war.  That's been debated to death, and will continue to be debated by the left and right and I do not want to go there at all, though I have my views.

But rather, I am asking why we assume that the liberal war plank will be accepted so readily?  Sure, McCain sounds awful ... but can we sit here and honestly tell ourselves that there's no way McCain's message isn't going to resonate with part of the population?  I have a hard time believing so.  Short of it is, yes, the country wants out.  But ... if the message is sold wrong, I wonder if the country will react poorly to the idea of leaving.  It's a slippery slope with more diverse views than you would find on liberal blogs, I think.

There's a whole bunch more, but eh, just wanted to get some things off my chest.  Now, I want to conclude on a couple things.  This is not meant to blast the blogosphere at all.  I'm just looking to see if there's something I'm missing.    I hope that American liberalism can one day truly be left of center (probably another hot topic, although I dunno).  But there's so much confidence and, well, without offending anyone, cockiness, on the blogosphere.  Does anyone worry that the electorate will look at the last 2 years and wonder if Democratic leadership can do anything?  I like Pelosi and Reid enough, but I don't think anyone would say that the Congress has succeeded in implementing it's vision and limiting Bush's.  The fact that our nominee is coming from Congress is also a concern.

Um, I wish I could conclude this in a way to tie everything together.  I'm just looking for thoughts.  This is a crucial election as we must get a Democrat in there, for a bunch of reasons, but one key thing for me is the Supreme Court.  Stevens has been holding on for so long.  We may not have anyone retire in the next 4 years, but it would position us better come 2012.

I guess what I'm saying is focused back on policy.  Is this vision going to resonate?  I still am wary of hearing our Democratic politicans talk at times.



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Obama zeitgeist 2008 (none / 0)

It is in part because hostility to Bush is so high, that Obama's clean slate offer is resonating.  You "roll the dice" when things are bad.  Obama is a better anti-Bush than Clinton - domestically and internationally.  Obama has touted his judgment on the war throughout this campaign.  But he has shown his judgment by running in 2008 and not waiting.  He knew that the country was ready for him and his message in 2008.  And he was right.  Again.  

You said that you lean to HRC because of experience but you don't describe what you mean by experience.


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by mboehm on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:27:04 PM EST

Re: Obama zeitgeist 2008 (none / 0)

First off, I want to reiterate, this isn't anything to do with Obama/HRC.  Even if HRC was the nominee, I would have the same thoughts.  I like Obama just fine.  the concern I have is more with how our policies are being projected and the supreme level of confidence found online.  I don't want to get into any HRC vs. Obama debate, so I'll just briefly touch on the 2nd point.  with so many global dynamics at play, with so many world issues to deal with, I don't think that the assumption that Obama is "right" will alone carry the day.  

He must sell that, and to assume that the majority of Americans are fully in line with the Democratic plank, not Obama's but the party's, is my concern.  There seems to be an implicit belief that the issues voters come to us, and that's what has me worried.  I don't see any substantial changes in delivery from 2004, but rather, a different face.  This concerns me.

Anti-Bush doesn't mean anti-Republican.  Anti-Bush also doesn't mean anti-McCain.  That's a dangerous road to tread towards.  There's a long road ahead.  Maybe my concerns are unwarranted, but primaries often bring out individuals dissatisfied with the current administration.  Will these numbers resonate?  McCain has plenty of time to latch himself on as a Republican, but to sell himself as different from Bush.  Actually, he's tried in many respects to portray that image.  Maybe this is a backlash against consertive philosophy, and maybe the Republicans will go through a period akin to the 60's and 70's again.  I'm just not so sure that's awash in certainty just yet and am worried about overconfidence.


by toonsterwu on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08:43 PM EST
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that's a good point... (none / 0)

but I have never seen any evidence of overconfidence coming from the Obama campaign itself.  That day or two before New Hampshire was media overconfidence driven by every poll, including internal HRC polls.

The opinion or tone of anonymous online pinhead commenters, like me, really mean nothing.  I've followed every contest pretty closely since 1976 and McCain doesn't strike me as a particularly strong candidate, although anything can happen.  

Other people have said this, but if we can't win this year with Obama or Clinton, we suck as a Party.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:59:23 PM EST
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Re: that's a good point... (none / 0)

First off, I do want to say thanks for responding

2nd, to a certain extent, I'm not suggesting the candidacy or campaign is overconfident, but rather, hmm ... I can't think of another way to word this so this is going to sound odd, but the issues plank, or more importantly, how said issues are portrayed.  This holds for all Democrats this year, not just Obama/HRC.

As for McCain's candidacy, it doesn't have to be strong, it just has to be strong enough.  For all the dissatisfaction with Bush, keep in mind that, as a party, we are still the challengers.  Thus, it is up to us to sell that vision, to sell that said change is occurring, will occur under our watch.

It's the ability to sell that is at the root of my concerns, in many respects (well, one of my concerns.)  Being more knowledgeable of the issues doesn't necessarily mean the ability to sell said issues.  Sure, I think any candidate this year would've been better than Kerry, no disrespect intended.  Kerry's a good man, but not exactly a great speaker.  But has it improved enough?

I believe it ... I just wonder if the nation is as gung ho as we believe.  I know I'm asking things that, in all honesty, don't have a quanfitiable answer.


by toonsterwu on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:18:00 AM EST
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